1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,640 To get to this giant rock, you turn off the main highway about 14 miles past Banny. 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:16,680 You wind up through the hills, come out onto the desert valley, and go until you come to 3 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:17,680 Joshua Tree. 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:23,000 Joshua Tree is about 18 miles west of 29 pounds. 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:28,400 At Joshua Tree, you turn left on what is known as Valley View Street. 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,360 There is a hard surface road for about six blocks, then you dive off into the desert. 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,400 Occasionally you see signs of relicas such as moonlight acres where they are attempting 8 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,400 to develop land. 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,400 There is moonlight mason, moonlight acres, moonlight garden. 10 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,400 Everything is moonlight. 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,400 Rocky acres is the only true one. 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,200 Probably call it moonlight because that is the only light pictures that got out there. 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,400 There is a huge sand and rat hole over a bulldozed washboard road for 16 miles. 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,600 Pretty soon you come to a little corner, you make a curve to the left, drive over a few 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,760 more miles of loose sand and rock, come up over a little rise, and all of a sudden there 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,760 is giant rock. 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:13,840 There is a huge rock in the wind stock on top of it, and under this rock is where the college 18 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,840 of universal wisdom meets. 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,440 When we first got there, there weren't too many people. 20 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Frye was holding forth. 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,680 He was about the only one we saw that had a card around him. 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,080 I was holding forth, getting a little lecture on what he had done and so forth. 23 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,880 There were a couple of people around him that kept asking about this metal telegraphy. 24 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:39,360 Frye said that it wasn't metal telegraphy, but he said that it was something else. 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,720 Frye was standing in front of an 1946 Nash loaded with bedding and boxes of his books. 26 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:52,880 I'm back in the Nash with the card table set up with his two books, one of them Alan's 27 00:01:52,880 --> 00:02:00,880 Align, Messages to the Men of Earth by Daniel Frye, and the other one was his other book, 28 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,040 the book's telling about the White Sands incident or whatever the name of it was. 29 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,200 His daughter was telling the books, his wife was standing there. 30 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,200 Frye was giving us talk. 31 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,000 He said that they didn't communicate with you by metal telegraphy. 32 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,080 It was they tapped into your nervous system. 33 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,560 I explained to these people who were standing around there that nervous impulses or impulses 34 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,720 going down in nerves were electrical impulses. 35 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,840 That's the way everything, I mean, when you hear it here, well, actually you pick up a 36 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,640 sound vibration in your air drum that changes into electrical impulses and sends it to your 37 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:34,640 brain. 38 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:40,640 These people just tap right in behind the air drum and send these impulses to your brain. 39 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:47,080 He was throwing around such words as communicate by wireless transformer galvanic current modulated 40 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,080 conductor, telecommunications and so forth. 41 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,280 He was obviously really snowing these people. 42 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:59,880 He said you can put a radio in your head by putting two conductors around your ear. 43 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:04,800 He said last night at 1030, there was a flying saucer going over about twice the size of 44 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,280 a full moon, a big glowing object. 45 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,440 He said it had been predicted, but only a few people stayed out because most of the 46 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:15,360 people convention and seen so darn many of them that they didn't even bother to lose 47 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,120 any sleep seeing a flying saucer. 48 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,040 I asked him about Paul Koch's program and he said this was never intended to be an investigation. 49 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,080 He said it was a TV show only. 50 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,360 He said it was just to amuse people. 51 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,880 He said he never agreed to be on the show. 52 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,920 He said he knew how a light detector works and a light detector only shows the degree 53 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:35,400 of importance of a question. 54 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,040 He doesn't necessarily say, well, you're telling a lie or not. 55 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,240 He said it was only a question only asked. 56 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,240 So a guilty person knows an important question and it isn't important in here at all. 57 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:52,760 He said that there was no, no attempt made to interpret this tape, that the tape that 58 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:58,680 was seen on television, the ups and downs on the tape were made by the operator just 59 00:03:58,680 --> 00:03:59,680 perfect. 60 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,960 He said the script had been written well in advance of the show and that he knew what 61 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,760 it would say, that he would come out guilty. 62 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,160 He said he'd written J. Edgar Hoover and asked him about the lie detector and J. 63 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,720 Edgar wrote back and said the FBI and all of them reuses it. 64 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,600 He said it's only used for establishing a negative answer. 65 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:21,560 He also said that the private detective on the program would investigate his background 66 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:22,560 with a fake. 67 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,960 He said that the private detective used answers to give him in the morning to another lie detector 68 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,360 test and that the answers where he had given were purposely wrong and that the answers 69 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,840 came out true even though they were wrong to show the file to the lie detector test. 70 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:41,400 He said he talked to Mr. Foley of the Pasadena Police Department who said the lie detector 71 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,400 was no good. 72 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:49,120 And he went on to give an explanation about how they checked people's ages and one guy 73 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,080 that couldn't get it until about ten dollars and then a question became important enough 74 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,880 and he was able to then, then he did get a reaction when they bet ten dollars on his 75 00:04:58,880 --> 00:04:59,880 age. 76 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,880 All this time his wife kept injecting little ideas into the conversation but she was getting 77 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:05,880 pretty well slept off. 78 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,880 She was sort of a crummy looking gal with stringy hair, dirty, misshapen wool suit on. 79 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,880 His daughter was a pretty good looking chick with long blonde hair but she looked pretty 80 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:16,880 ratty too. 81 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,880 She had clean up, she was pretty good looking. 82 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:25,360 He said he worked at White Sands for Aerojet and the military White Sands, proving ground 83 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,360 to there was no such person there. 84 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,360 But he did have a club office club card to prove that he was there. 85 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,360 He dug out the office club card and it was a bona fide club card. 86 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:42,360 Instead of purpose of denying it was the fact that security didn't want to give me publicity 87 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,360 for the place. 88 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,360 His office club card number was 1442. 89 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:52,360 It was issued on the 24th of January 1950 and it was signed by Charles C. Wagner, W-I-G-N-E-R, 90 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,360 First and Second Field Artillery. 91 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,360 He said he knew some generals and had been their exception. 92 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,360 The question I had is do all civilians get office club card at White Sands? 93 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,360 I think maybe they do. 94 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,360 Fry then produced a photo that he took of a flying saucer hovering over the ground. 95 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:13,360 He said that it was one of the few that he'd ever seen that was really hovering but it 96 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,360 was still off-putting so the picture was a little blurry. 97 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,360 He took it with a real cheap Kodak brownie camera. 98 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,360 He said that some of these people were listening. 99 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,360 This is still what he's saying. 100 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,360 But yesterday during the meeting they saw clouds off in the distance and they kept forming 101 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,360 and coming back again. 102 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,360 They thought maybe it was a condensation around the flying saucer. 103 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:41,360 Pretty soon a jet came roaring out, went out and circled the cloud a couple times and came back. 104 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,360 He said this was in question, answered to a question about radar. 105 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,360 He said it undoddly radar down around San Bernardino. 106 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,360 It picked this up and the jet said he might have to take a look at it. 107 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,360 He said if the Air Force does have any data on flying saucers why? 108 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:57,360 They'll conceal it. 109 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:03,360 They can't do anything else because it's such a big thing and people aren't ready to know about it. 110 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,360 Yes. 111 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,360 Then we went over and started talking. 112 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,360 Saw that Truman's bathroom had a crowd gathering. 113 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,360 He was standing up by his automobile which was a pre-war Buick. 114 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,360 It was also a down-and-bedding in books. 115 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:21,360 I was standing in a French decrypt taking a few notes and all of a sudden Truman saw me and thought I was a newspaper man. 116 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:27,360 He stomped his little hurang about flying saucers, looked over at me and said, 117 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,360 son, if you're a newspaper man and taking these down for a newspaper, 118 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,360 he says make sure you get them right. 119 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,360 He was really indignant about it. 120 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,360 He said he'd been in Mexico too many times and this was a serious subject. 121 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:43,360 He said that he'd been investigating the Air Force on 25th of February 1954. 122 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,360 The Air Force came into his home. 123 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:53,360 This was shortly after he'd been on a TV show and had reported showing a sketch he had there of a flying saucer. 124 00:07:53,360 --> 00:08:00,360 He said the Air Force man told him that after he'd been on television 200 people came to the Air Force and reported they'd seen this in the air 125 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,360 and before they'd been afraid to report it. 126 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:07,360 These were all military pilots, military people, airline pilots and so forth. 127 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,360 As I say, he was very indignant about the press. 128 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,360 He said a lot of people thought that a damsel's photo was a light fixture, but he said that it wasn't. 129 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,360 He'd seen one, he'd talked to some people who didn't even know a damsel. 130 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,360 He described exactly the same thing that they'd seen hovering over Mount Palomar. 131 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,360 This substantiated a damsel's whole story. 132 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,360 The next thing that happened was the speech. 133 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:33,360 Van Tassel got up and got his PA system working. 134 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:40,360 And before he said, even the program got started, he made the announcement that I have a letter here from Captain Edward J. Ruppelt 135 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,360 and he used to hit flying saucer projects at the Air Force. 136 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:52,360 If he's here today, making himself known, well, I had written a letter down there, not knowing what I was getting into, but I'm glad I wrote it now. 137 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,360 Asking that if they were issuing press cards or anything like that, why did I would get one? 138 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:03,360 Then he got up, Van Tassel got up again, two men's players, so about 11 o'clock in the morning, 139 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,360 and called true and better months of microphone to give the first speech today. 140 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,360 Pretty warm, in fact, it was comfortably warm out in the desert that day. 141 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,360 We were sitting in a car, it was a nice breeze blowing, it was really nice. 142 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,360 There wasn't much of a crowd, they had been screwed up a little bit on their things. 143 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Last year the meeting had run for two days, and this year they only planned to have it on Saturday, 144 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:31,360 things got garbled up and people came out there for two days, so they had decided to run a program the second day. 145 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:39,360 Well, there weren't too many people there, I wouldn't estimate over all 1500 at the most, maybe only three or four airplanes and quite a few cars. 146 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,360 Well, true and better got up. 147 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:48,360 First thing he said was something to abide his book, said everybody always tries to get up here and sell a book, but I'm not going. 148 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,360 He spent about an hour and a half haranguing the government. 149 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,360 It was sort of pointless. He said people would do anything for dollar. 150 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:03,360 And he said that the military was only an arm of destruction, they were no longer an arm of protection. 151 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,360 I think Sarah's got most of this, ramble along quite aimlessly. 152 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,360 And he said send kids to back to the soil, not to gunfighters. 153 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:16,360 And all he went on and on about how people were taking over the government. 154 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:21,360 And he said if you see anybody in uniform, they're not for us, there's quite a misdemean. 155 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:33,360 And anyway, the whole thing if you build up this black picture about how we were going to annihilate ourselves and how we were really going at it like that. 156 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,360 His pitch was that the outer space people are the only answers to this. 157 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,360 And he finally got back to the point. 158 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:46,360 He said the space people told him that they had no wars and the space people will give us these secrets. 159 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:51,360 They're going to go around and put good thoughts in our minds. 160 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,360 And he said the finest young men were in uniform, we were killing them off and this isn't right. 161 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,360 And they said when we make enough effort, the space people will help us. 162 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,360 They won't just come down handed to us, we have to make an effort ourselves. 163 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,360 And this was the big pitch he was building up to. 164 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,360 So then when that was over life, I did this as an insert here. 165 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:20,360 I talked to Van Tassel and joined about tape recording from outer space via light transmission that they had made the night before or that played the night before. 166 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,360 Van Tassel got up and he said he wasn't interested in spaceships, he was interested in the people. 167 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:33,360 He had the world divided up into world history or just say ancient history or whatever you want to call it into density. 168 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:39,360 The first density that happened, the world was covered with vegetation. 169 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,360 That density lasted for 312,000 years. 170 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,360 Then they had what they call polar flip. 171 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,360 And this polar flip evidently the world flipped over onto the actors or something. 172 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,360 Anyway, the first polar flip is what made all the coal fields. 173 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:01,360 This vegetation was growing was all plowed under and this made the coal fields. 174 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:15,360 Yes, the start of the second era after the first polar flip flying saucers, but baby dinners ours and various things like that to to the earth and they live for another era. 175 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,360 However, a lot of it is 312,000 years. 176 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,360 Then everything was going on fine and Jim's ours. 177 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:30,360 We're living here and they all multiplied and all these various prehistoric animals came out and the earth that time was covered with a great bell. 178 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,360 Bells or or cloud cloud of water vapor. 179 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:43,360 Anyway, this water vapor was at 112 degrees or something damn fear like that anyway hot enough to be vaporized. 180 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,360 So vaporized well let me in the second polar flip. 181 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:56,360 And before this course of supply tower, the flying saucers came down and Noah was running one of the flying saucers and that's where the art comes from. 182 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,360 He picked up a bunch of animals and so forth put them in the boat. 183 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,360 They took off. 184 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,360 Then they had the third polar flip. 185 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,360 I don't get what all these things are anyway. 186 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:15,360 Noah came back and he paused them and then Adam and Eve came back at the this is a. 187 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:21,360 The end of the second polar the second polar flip brought in the third density. 188 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:30,360 Then Adam came down first all the men came down first and built things up and then the women came along the rib story Adam's rib story is true. 189 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:38,360 Both Adam and Eve came down on a flying saucer and he said that these people have a regular bus service between planets. 190 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,360 They travel all over space. 191 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,360 We're descendants of space people. 192 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,360 That's why they're interested in it. 193 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:49,360 They're called humans because you mean destruction and we're destructive man. 194 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,360 The UFO came over. 195 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,360 This is something else he told me. 196 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,360 I think this was later on. 197 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,360 UFO came over a short time back and hovered over the rock. 198 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:04,360 The FBI came out talking about all I understood no one was putting out the UFO was armed. 199 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,360 Then we have degraded ourselves and such a mess. 200 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,360 No one can get us out. 201 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,360 So space people have come to help us. 202 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,360 There's a polar flip do shortly in 312 years. 203 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:19,360 Normally they they weren't coming back until a polar flip. 204 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:26,360 But we're we're so screwed up and so close to blowing ourselves up with atom bombs that they're about to come back now. 205 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,360 The fourth density. 206 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,360 Next polar flip will be the sort of utopian density. 207 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,360 We'll all live to the golden rule. 208 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,360 Well only those who live by the golden rule will get into the fourth density. 209 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:47,360 The flying saucers will come down pick us all up or pick up all those people that are eligible and haul them out and wait for polar flip. 210 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Then he went on to say that the that the people in the United States are too lack that they've got to a point now where they keep saying let the government do it. 211 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,360 Let the government do it. 212 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:06,360 Well they aren't going out and voting like they should and everything else in the government is being taken over by a clique of baddies. 213 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,360 In fact the top physicists are mad. 214 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,360 He said he got this straight from Washington D.C. 215 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,360 He said you can look into your eyes and said you can just see that they're mad. 216 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,360 He said that they're they're controlled by evil. 217 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:26,360 And he said they're madly making fiendishly making these atomic bombs and and don't even make them think of destruction destruction destruction. 218 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,360 They're going to blow us all off the map. 219 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,360 It's the same people. 220 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:44,360 The same people who blew up mall bank which is a something I don't know mall deck is a planet that was in our solar system one time it was blown up to protect us from these mad creatures. 221 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,360 There are three and a half million flying saucers around the world. 222 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,360 Our astronomers know what they are. 223 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,360 We know what flying saucers are. 224 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:59,360 The Air Force knows and top church man people know that the masses are not qualified to know the clique now running the United States. 225 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,360 Our is a destructive force. 226 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,360 These flying saucers can nullify nullify all radioactivity. 227 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:15,360 And if they hadn't done that we've already have killed off half the people on our planet from anemia and cancer. 228 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,360 Space people are here because of other atomic warfare. 229 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,360 They would have normally come during the polar flip but they're here now. 230 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:30,360 He said he knows it's a polar flip in a way because in 1945 a magnetic pole shifted. 231 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,360 Used to be they published aeronautical charge five years in advance. 232 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,360 He knew all this because he flew an airplane or been around them. 233 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,360 These deposition five years in advance. 234 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,360 Now they can't because the magnetic poles are moving so fast. 235 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,360 He said this is all secret but he figured it out. 236 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,360 Usually it only shipped one degree in six hundred and fifty five and six hundred and fifty years. 237 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,360 But in the past six years it shifted a half a degree. 238 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,360 So the polar flip has already started. 239 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:02,360 He said it just then he gets back on to the people that are building atomic bombs. 240 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,360 He said it's just like a big flying saucer or anything that's floating around through space. 241 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:11,360 I mean we're not just because we're the earth doesn't mean we're too solid. 242 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:17,360 He said if you were up on an airline and a pilot started throwing hand grenades at the wings you'd have a guy committed. 243 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:23,360 They actually in essence we're doing the same thing where shooting our atomic bombs off and blowing up the world. 244 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:25,360 And he said it worked. 245 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:30,360 We can control the same people who destroyed Maldives and other are reincarnated. 246 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,360 Space people use light. 247 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:33,360 They don't use atomic energy. 248 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:43,360 We're on the wrong track and they use a light which is free and it's easy to get and they use light energy for everything. 249 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:50,360 But big business is against this because they want to get into atomic business and they don't. 250 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:52,360 I mean they're digging up uranium ore. 251 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:59,360 They're building refineries and everything else and it's cost them a lot of cost the government a lot of money and they're they're making a lot of money off of it. 252 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:03,360 Therefore they're fighting this business who's doing research on light energy. 253 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,360 We're going broke building a bomb. 254 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:10,360 He said we know about this free energy but you can't make any money on free energy. 255 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:13,360 Big powers are interested and they want war. 256 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:15,360 And war has never stabilized things. 257 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:21,360 And he said our background is count as count has gone up in the last few years since 1945. 258 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:23,360 It's gone up tremendously. 259 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,360 We're all very much in danger. 260 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:32,360 He said that the College of Universal Wisdom is trying to promote trying to get away from this and promote a new thing. 261 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:37,360 He said the flying saucer people are here and walking among us today trying to help us. 262 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:44,360 When I talked to this kid Miller you've got me with his answer and I asked him why they take him up. 263 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:47,360 Now Frye Frye got up. 264 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:51,360 He said about 12 15 Frye got up. 265 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:54,360 And the first thing he said was I'm not the faintest idea what I'm going to say. 266 00:18:54,360 --> 00:19:00,360 Well this was probably the most easily proved state of the day because if you had just listened to him. 267 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:02,360 Douglas McCarty started plugging McCarty. 268 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:05,360 He says the world needs a leader and Douglas McCarty also knows. 269 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:10,360 He knows about what's going to happen probably from the flying saucer people he intimated this. 270 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:12,360 He said stay out of war. 271 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:15,360 Frye wrote to him and sent a copy of his book. 272 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,360 But he didn't get any answer back from McCarty. 273 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:24,360 He really didn't expect to he said because he realized that McCarty wouldn't know whether or not he would use that for publicity or not. 274 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:26,360 He said he could take this letter. 275 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:30,360 But undoubtedly McCarty liked the book and if you wrote a letter saying that he did. 276 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:36,360 Why then Frye would probably use that letter be based enough to use this letter of publicity. 277 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:38,360 And so undoubtedly McCarty wouldn't answer him. 278 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:48,360 He said right now we're putting a ratio of or 50% of our production is going into weapons and we don't use weapons unless they have a ratio of 1 to 100. 279 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:56,360 This ratio of 1 to 100 means for every hour when our man probably put into work on a weapon it has to destroy 100 man hours of work. 280 00:19:56,360 --> 00:20:07,360 Speeches begin to stray and we know that the people begin to get off the chairs and peel off the shirts and lay down and start taking the sun bath. 281 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:12,360 The sequence of operations there was Bethram, Van Tansel and Frye. 282 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,360 They got made in Nelson and said that Damse wasn't there. 283 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:17,360 He was down in Desert Hot Springs taking a mineral bath. 284 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:20,360 So Frye went on and rambled on. 285 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:22,360 Didn't say a heck of a lot. 286 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:27,360 Just hurrained around a while and drifted in with some point to point for a band now. 287 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:30,360 Then they called Miller up on the stand. 288 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:33,360 Miller got up and gave his little speech. 289 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:37,360 Then they had this Williamson up on the stand. 290 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,360 It was sort of a dead Sunday. 291 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:40,360 It was a dead day. 292 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:42,360 Saturday was a much better day. 293 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:45,360 According to newspapers they had more people. 294 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:47,360 They had a bigger program. 295 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:49,360 She was scythe here. 296 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:54,360 This girl was Lady Dana Howard having a parked car right next to us. 297 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:57,360 We were overhearing her and she set up her little table outside. 298 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:05,360 In her flock she mentioned something about the fact that Greed, she gave up her lover and came back to Earth with the spread of good words. 299 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:11,360 We were sitting there and all of a sudden she said to a lady that was with her, her little girl that was with her. 300 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:14,360 She said, I'm afraid they're going to call me up there to speak again today. 301 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:16,360 She said, I'm not going to do it. 302 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,360 She said, let's pack up and get out of here in a hurry. 303 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:21,360 So they did. 304 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:25,360 The day before I had a long chat with Frank Scully. 305 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:27,360 It was rather interesting. 306 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:30,360 I watched him taking pictures of him for a while. 307 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:36,360 I took a couple of shots myself and then when everybody was gone I went up to ship Kansas and told him I'd been on a TV show. 308 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:38,360 He remembered me right away. 309 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:42,360 We talked, he talked all the time. 310 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:49,360 He didn't say a hell of a lot except the one thing he said was that these were good people. 311 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:52,360 He said he'd gotten enjoyment out of them or something of that effect. 312 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,360 I don't know if you can get exactly what he was driving in. 313 00:21:55,360 --> 00:22:01,360 But anyway, he admitted he didn't admit but he indicated that he didn't believe all this. 314 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,360 He was just good people. 315 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:10,360 One thing I jumped him about with his business was the two people being indicted by grand jury. 316 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:12,360 He said that he just drove this straight away. 317 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:16,360 He heard it and that he wasn't checking into their business connections or something like that. 318 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:18,360 Anyway, he gave me his address. 319 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:20,360 That was about all. 320 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:21,360 There was a dam. 321 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:22,360 She was there. 322 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:28,360 The whole crew was there Saturday and we did get to talk to him for a while. 323 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:30,360 Danzky has been in a flying saucer now. 324 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:34,360 He hasn't written one but he has been in a flying saucer. 325 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:40,360 The biggest thing of the evening, the day of course, was this Miller kid's story. 326 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,360 After it was all over, he didn't do time. 327 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,360 I went over and introduced myself and he was very eager to talk. 328 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:50,360 So he asked me to come into rest and which consisted of almost absolutely nothing. 329 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:57,360 I did two tables in there and a long bench and we got a cup of coffee and he sat down and started telling me his story. 330 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:04,360 The thing happened 40 miles out of Detroit near Ann Arbor in an old abandoned golf course. 331 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:06,360 Miller's story. 332 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,360 Well, in the first place, Miller from Detroit. 333 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,360 A young kid said he's been in the Air Force. 334 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,360 Brown eyes, big brown eyes, were in a baseball camp. 335 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,360 He was innocent, looked at his face very cool and talk. 336 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:22,360 I mean, he had a way of presenting in this innocent air that was very good. 337 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:26,360 He's not a ham radio operator but he had a lot of friends who were. 338 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:28,360 He was messing around with them. 339 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:35,360 They were checking some mobile equipment one night and they got some very unusual signal on an 11 meter band. 340 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:42,360 It was so unusual and so powerful that it overloaded the receiver and it had an unusual tone. 341 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:48,360 And all of a sudden the tone stopped and a voice started and the voice could have been some ham. 342 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:53,360 The person had a tenor voice and used very good English and was very clear. 343 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:58,360 And they said that they identified themselves as being on board a flying saucer. 344 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:03,360 They said they were here in a friendly mission and had knowledge of our group and it wasn't close. 345 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:07,360 And he didn't know whether this meant their group of radio operators or the whole world. 346 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:13,360 They also said and told him to continue to watch an 11 meter band. 347 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,360 They did and he couldn't. 348 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:19,360 The Allaham's monitor that they kept up a 24 hour watch. 349 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:28,360 And after September 54 when they got the first radio message why they got 13 to 13 more contact. 350 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:34,360 The next to last contact there was a great deal of confusion to the validity. 351 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:39,360 He knew FCC was monitoring it because they saw two FCC trucks. 352 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:45,360 They said the second to last message Miller was alone when he got this. 353 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:52,360 They said to go to Ann Arbor to an old abandoned golf course and he gave him a location. 354 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:57,360 They said that the message said that personal contact was imperative. 355 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,360 And he was alone when it came through. 356 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,360 But this came through in a 16 meter band. 357 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,360 So he went out this isolated place drove up went to a gully. 358 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,360 Now it was October 24th, 1944. 359 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:11,360 He was there all Sunday at 1 p.m. 360 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:16,360 Well 1 p.m. he received the message to be there at 2 a.m. 361 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:24,360 And also said to leave a note for his friends and they were to be at the same point at 2 p.m. 362 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:30,360 He also left the message for his friends and said that they were supposed to be at the same point at 2 a.m. 363 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,360 And they wouldn't be contacted and they would be contacted by radio. 364 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:35,360 So he left the note. 365 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,360 And he was there about 15 minutes. 366 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:41,360 And out of the corner of his eyes saw you full coming straight down very fast. 367 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,360 And it hovered on top of the hill. 368 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:47,360 It flipped over once a little bit on its side. 369 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,360 So he got a view of the outside which he showed me. 370 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:51,360 He saw the profile. 371 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:54,360 It was about 150 feet in diameter about 50 feet away. 372 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,360 Hovered 12 feet off the ground. 373 00:25:56,360 --> 00:26:00,360 He went up the hill and when he went up he could feel his sort of tingle. 374 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:02,360 His hair sticking straight up. 375 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:04,360 He was in a light shot. 376 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:06,360 But his watch was okay. 377 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:07,360 It kept running. 378 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,360 All of a sudden the flying saucer came to rest just a little bit above the earth. 379 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,360 About 12 feet off the ground. 380 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,360 And a panel of sort of dove tails slid open. 381 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:18,360 And a ramp came down. 382 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:20,360 It was just like an airline ramp. 383 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,360 And it ended up about a foot off the ground. 384 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:26,360 He was very anxious to get on. 385 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,360 He said he wasn't afraid at all. 386 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:30,360 In fact he was very anxious to go. 387 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:33,360 The sound of the message sounded like these were really good people. 388 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,360 The first messages all of them were a witness. 389 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:39,360 The only one that wasn't a witness was the one that started to come aboard the flying saucer. 390 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,360 He looked up and the interior was all lighted. 391 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,360 He saw a champ standing there. 392 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,360 He was thinking it was a champ all the time. 393 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:52,360 A champ standing there and flying coveralls on the top of the step backing him up. 394 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,360 He got off. 395 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:58,360 He walked up the stairway and stepped off into a metal corridor 396 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:03,360 that ran the around the circumference of the flying saucer. 397 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,360 All of a sudden the guy didn't do anything at all. 398 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:11,360 He just stood there and the ramp very quietly and not too slowly just pulled it up like a filing drawer 399 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,360 going into a file and the doors went shut. 400 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,360 And the man motioned for him to following up the passageway. 401 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:23,360 Another door opened, slid open, and he walked into the central control room. 402 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:27,360 It was about 90 feet in diameter, circular, all types of equipment. 403 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:32,360 Now at this time my Miller stopped and drew me a sketch of this and explained it to me. 404 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,360 He went over his shake hands. 405 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,360 The man came up, stepped up with his shake hands. 406 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,360 The man put his hand out to shake. 407 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,360 The man stepped up as if he was running his shake hands. 408 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:45,360 Miller put his hands out and the guy just moved right by and put his hand on his shoulder. 409 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,360 And then he said in perfect English he says, please don't feel foolish. 410 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:53,360 Now the first words that he'd spoken were the first words he'd spoken. 411 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,360 Miller assumed that this was some kind of a greeting. 412 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,360 They didn't shake hands. They put their hands on their shoulders. 413 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,360 He looked around. There was no one at the control. 414 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:06,360 The windows in the thing were about 20, 25 feet off the ground. 415 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,360 And then he told about the people. 416 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:10,360 They had different colored coveralls on. 417 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:13,360 The guy that he met had a white coverall. 418 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:14,360 He had white coveralls on. 419 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:17,360 And then he was captain of the ship and a philosopher. 420 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:21,360 And the color, do you notice, the occupation and the grade. 421 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,360 Orange was an astrophysicist and purple was an electronics man. 422 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,360 All they controlled that he saw were push buttons and signal lights. 423 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:31,360 There were no rear staff meters or anything like that. 424 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:35,360 The suits closer to one button suit. 425 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,360 That cloth was a mechanic's team. 426 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,360 They wore ankle-length cloth boots. 427 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,360 The guy he saw looked like Clark Gable. 428 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,360 He said about 45 years old, very distinguished looking. 429 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,360 Black hair that was graying into temples. 430 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,360 His name was Soul Tech. 431 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,360 S-O-L-T-E-C. S-O-L-H-E-C was his name. 432 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,360 He told why he was interested in it. 433 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,360 He said that directly ahead of us in space was a cosmic cloud. 434 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,360 There was a concentration of cosmic rays. 435 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:10,360 When the earth passes, it affects our magnetic lines of flux 436 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,360 and causes earthquakes, floods and so forth. 437 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,360 He took Soul Tech to a three and a half million flying saucers around the planet. 438 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,360 They were putting up a force field that was screening us 439 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,360 from this horrible mess of cosmic rays. 440 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,360 He said that they had been doing this for a year. 441 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:36,360 He said that you'll notice that the cosmic rays and background clouds 442 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360 have been increasing. 443 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,360 This is a pitch that other people use too. 444 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,360 1957, we've been the heart of the clouds. 445 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,360 They had the technology to put up their own barrier, but we didn't. 446 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,360 Therefore, they were protecting it. 447 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,360 They couldn't help us too much. 448 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,360 They could help us a lot, but they couldn't completely nullify this cosmic cloud. 449 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,360 Therefore, we would have some effects over the next 70 years. 450 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,360 We'd all change. 451 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,360 Then Van Tessel stuck his nose into the conversation 452 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,360 and told about how he'd contacted people. 453 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:16,360 This flying saucer had covered down over a giant rock in Air Planetary Airport. 454 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,360 These three men had been in the ship. 455 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:25,360 The one that spoke to him was named Solganda. 456 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:30,360 They had a little chit chat between themselves about how poetic his name sounded. 457 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,360 This cosmic cloud, then they started back. 458 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,360 This cosmic cloud we're going through affects the human brain. 459 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,360 We can't stand it. 460 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,360 We're going through heart attack mutations and so forth. 461 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,360 They couldn't stop this. 462 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,360 They were interested because, one, we were nuts for building a bomb. 463 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:54,360 Number two, they were forced to nullify two atomic shots. 464 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,360 One in the USSR, one of them was in the USSR. 465 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,360 He wasn't allowed to explode. 466 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,360 They'll never allow us to explore a true H bomb. 467 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,360 These are so far we've exploded. 468 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:13,360 They say it's been imitation H bomb and they'll never let us sort of pure H bomb. 469 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,360 The reason that they stopped these two shots, one in Russia, one in the US, 470 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,360 was because they were boarding with being true hydrogen bombs. 471 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,360 There's an asteroid belt that once was a planet that blew up in the planet. 472 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,360 We call it Moldak, but the real name for it's Lucifer. 473 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:41,360 He told us Moldak, whatever his name was, told us, not Moldak, but Caltech, 474 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,360 whatever his name was, told him that this Miller, that we would make a satellite, 475 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,360 that we would go to the moon, but we'd never get any product 476 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,360 because we don't have the technology to do so. 477 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,360 They have something similar to the United Nations called Universal Federation. 478 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,360 There's 680 planets, all the same solar systems and galaxies. 479 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:09,360 It's very similar to the UN, they say, and they've had it for 20,000 years. 480 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,360 They're not allowed to go in and invade anybody, 481 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,360 but if anybody's going to destroy themselves or something like that, 482 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,360 or be destroyed by some outside force, why they can come in and help, that's why they're here. 483 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,360 There were five men on this spaceship that Miller talked to. 484 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,360 Each one was from a different planet. 485 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360 One was from Mars, one from Neptune, one from Uranus, 486 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,360 and he didn't know where the other was, he forgot where the other one was from. 487 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,360 They were all specialists. 488 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,360 He said that he repeated this stuff about the United Federation, 489 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,360 had a lot of it that he couldn't interfere, 490 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,360 the only thing he could do was to come outside the force or blow up was coming in. 491 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,360 They were going to take place. 492 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,360 He said, when he was in the spaceship, he didn't feel that he was moving. 493 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,360 There was no inertia, but he did know that he was moving. 494 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,360 He said they had vision screens. 495 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,360 They knew where they were going. 496 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,360 He put it in his opium in a drawing. 497 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,360 He said that one time he knew he was riding around in space 498 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,360 because they turned on his vision screen for him, and he saw a planet in full color. 499 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,360 He didn't recognize the planet, but he didn't see Clouds, Land and Sea. 500 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:17,360 He told him a lot of planets, and I forget, 22 of them, I think, were inhabited. 501 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,360 In about 15 minutes before the time for the contact, 502 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:27,360 why Miller asked Soltec if he could talk to his buddies on the radio, 503 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,360 Soltec said, well, he didn't know. 504 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,360 He had a thought conference with his other crew members 505 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,360 because he didn't say anything, but pretty soon he said, well, come over here. 506 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,360 15 minutes before 2 a.m., they turned on the radio. 507 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,360 They went to contact the group. 508 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,360 He went over to the instrument board and looked at, pulled out one of the new instruments 509 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,360 that had just been installed, and it told, you know, 510 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,360 that this was a 50,000 watt transmitter the size of a bag of cigarettes. 511 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,360 It was a plug-in unit, just plugged into the board. 512 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,360 He couldn't see any, you know, because it was sort of, he could hazely see through it 513 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,360 and see a bunch of stuff in there, but it was opaque, and he couldn't see any. 514 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,360 At 2 p.m., he went over to the desk and sat down and looked for a mic. 515 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,360 He couldn't find it. 516 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,360 He was in Soltec said, you don't need a mic. 517 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,360 Just talk. 518 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:22,360 So he started to talk, and he called his buddies, and then they flipped on a vision screen for him. 519 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,360 And he saw six of them sitting in the car. 520 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,360 And it was quite a thing because it was all in color, and this thing went right to the roof of the car, 521 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,360 and he could see them sitting there. 522 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,360 And he got quite a laugh out of the fact that he told his buddies they were on TV. 523 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,360 He was reading them six-secs and getting them very, very clear. 524 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,360 And mold ECTAW to them too. 525 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,360 Then there was another one. 526 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,360 Then after he got through communicating with these people, 527 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:53,360 I'm Mectaw, M-E-C-K-T-A-U, Mectaw. 528 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,360 It was the electronics man. 529 00:34:54,360 --> 00:35:00,360 He got a hold of Miller and explained to him that they wanted him to set up a light beam system. 530 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,360 And they wanted to use a light beam because they would keep things confidential that way, 531 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,360 and it wouldn't be broadcasting on the air. 532 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,360 And also keep FCC to FCC keep their nose out of things. 533 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,360 So he told Miller about the type of equipment. 534 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,360 He wanted to use the infrared beam and so forth. 535 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:25,360 Well, at about 220 or 230, while all of a sudden they turned on a vision screen and saw that they were on the ground, 536 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,360 he walked to the hatch and got back off at the same place. 537 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:36,360 But this time his buddies had gone, and of course he went running right back and talked to them, 538 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,360 but they'd parked only 100 feet away from this hill and the flying saucer wasn't there, 539 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:47,360 so evidently he knew he'd been out and been gone from the spot that he had actually been for a ride. 540 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,360 Of course the people the car left just a minute after the transmission was over 541 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,360 because they were tired and they wanted to go to bed, but they didn't see the spaceship go overhead. 542 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:01,360 So they made this IR light beam thing and they contacted the flying saucers. 543 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,360 They knew that they were transmitting because there was a luminous ring around the transmitter, 544 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,360 and it pulsated along with the transmissions. 545 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,360 So they were modulating their, he said modulating their force field. 546 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:19,360 Now this Rick Williams, Williams was there, Williamson was there. 547 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,360 They parked in the beam of the IR stuff, Williamson saw it and said, 548 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,360 he modulated the inner force field. 549 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,360 And then one time, there were always people, are you always there witnesses? 550 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,360 At one time they saw 12 UFOs and groups of trees fly over. 551 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,360 All this happened in Detroit. 552 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,360 He said that he came out here about Christmas time or Williamson, 553 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,360 somehow got in touch with him and Williamson went out there and brought him back 554 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,360 out to California about Christmas time. 555 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:49,360 He told Van Tassel and Fry, and he also confirmed that Fry was there 556 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:55,360 because this soltec told him that they had picked up a man once before and carried him to New York. 557 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,360 Let's see, there was something else that he brought out here. 558 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,360 Oh yeah, he said these six people didn't wish to be, 559 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,360 he didn't want to name them now because he hadn't talked to them about it. 560 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,360 He came out here not expecting to tell a story to anybody, 561 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,360 that he and Williamson were going to do some red hot research on it. 562 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,360 But now it's this thing that broke life, it ever became necessary, 563 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,360 he could dig up the names of these six people it saw. 564 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,360 I didn't push him any further because I couldn't check on it if I, you know, 565 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,360 if he did give me six names, I wouldn't really work. 566 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,360 But that's about the size of the whole thing as far as his story was concerned. 567 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,360 To say he was very convincing, after he gave his speech on Saturday, 568 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,360 which was the, you might say it was the ace in the hole of the keynote speaker, 569 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,360 anyway his was the punch, why he had people all around him wanting to take his picture 570 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,360 and he was signing autographs like mad and various things like that. 571 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,360 He was a real nice guy, very, very nice. 572 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,360 Well, I guess that's a bond all I think that just a bond takes care of everything.